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		<title>By: steonet</title>
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		<dc:creator>steonet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-919&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MacLone&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;:
I agree with MacLone. Kpackagekit does not work. I tried to use Synaptic in Kubuntu but I had a lot of problems. Packagekit works fine in Opensuse 11.2 KDE: Kubuntu needs a lot of work to reach Opensuse, Sabayon, Pardus, SimplyMepis, eccetera.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><a href="#comment" onclick="CF_Reply('971','steonet'); return false;">Reply</a>  |  <a href="#comment" onclick="CF_Quote('971','steonet'); return false;">Quote</a></div><span id="co_971"><p><b>@ <a href="#comment-919" title="Go to comment of this author" rel="nofollow">MacLone</a></b>:<br />
I agree with MacLone. Kpackagekit does not work. I tried to use Synaptic in Kubuntu but I had a lot of problems. Packagekit works fine in Opensuse 11.2 KDE: Kubuntu needs a lot of work to reach Opensuse, Sabayon, Pardus, SimplyMepis, eccetera.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristof Bal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristof Bal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice review you wrote!

Two remarks:

*Adblocking by default is certainly not a KDE thing, since the KDE adblocker is an optional Konqi plugn, available from extragear. Although I can understand the choice made by Kubuntu.

*KDE is in now way related to firefox, so that installer also has nothing to do with KDE. Konqi isn&#039;t a good browser for modern javascript-heavy sites, so Firefox is a better choice there. However, Firefox depends on lots of GTK things, so putting it on the CD will remove room for other apps, so the Kubuntu Devs decided to write an installer.

Oh BTW: I also would recommend a Mandriva Review, excellent distro, I&#039;m using it for a year know, because *buntu tends to screw up KDE translations.</description>
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<p>Two remarks:</p>
<p>*Adblocking by default is certainly not a KDE thing, since the KDE adblocker is an optional Konqi plugn, available from extragear. Although I can understand the choice made by Kubuntu.</p>
<p>*KDE is in now way related to firefox, so that installer also has nothing to do with KDE. Konqi isn&#8217;t a good browser for modern javascript-heavy sites, so Firefox is a better choice there. However, Firefox depends on lots of GTK things, so putting it on the CD will remove room for other apps, so the Kubuntu Devs decided to write an installer.</p>
<p>Oh BTW: I also would recommend a Mandriva Review, excellent distro, I&#8217;m using it for a year know, because *buntu tends to screw up KDE translations.</p>
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		<title>By: Goldmine CRM</title>
		<link>http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2009/11/04/kubuntu-linux-9-10/comment-page-1/#comment-927</link>
		<dc:creator>Goldmine CRM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as they finally fix the wireless issues that have been plaguing Ubuntu since 8.10 then I will be happy, and it will be a windows 7 killer.</description>
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		<title>By: Jim Lynch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments, guys.

BTW, we had a slight database burp due to a dumbass that accidentally removed the database then had to restore it from a backup. So a few posts are missing from this review. My apologies for the error. 

I swear I only had 3 blueberry ales. :whistle: :biggrin: 

Please feel free to repost your comments and sorry about the database screw up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><a href="#comment" onclick="CF_Reply('926','Jim Lynch'); return false;">Reply</a>  |  <a href="#comment" onclick="CF_Quote('926','Jim Lynch'); return false;">Quote</a></div><span id="co_926"><p>Thanks for the comments, guys.</p>
<p>BTW, we had a slight database burp due to a dumbass that accidentally removed the database then had to restore it from a backup. So a few posts are missing from this review. My apologies for the error. </p>
<p>I swear I only had 3 blueberry ales. <img src='http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/Nomicons v2.0/whistling.png' alt=':whistle:' class='wp-smiley' /> <img src='http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/Nomicons v2.0/grin.png' alt=':biggrin:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Please feel free to repost your comments and sorry about the database screw up.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice review. Kpackage kit worked with no show stoppers even tho I don&#039;t really like it. Overall Kubuntu showed no show stopper problems at all. Some minor problems were easy to take care of. As far as Kde distros goes I&#039;ve tried several in the past month including sidux, Mandriva, OpenSuse (RC), and Kubuntu seems to work as well or better than most. If a person has to use Kde then its a good distro. Just remember that KDE4 still has a way to go before it can be considered prime time.</description>
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		<title>By: Brian Masinick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Masinick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kubuntu 9.10 went through a pretty good testing cycle, based on tests of a couple of Alpha releases (I think I started this release with Alpha 3 in a Virtualbox).  I also had an installed version of Kubuntu 9.04, so when this reached Beta (or Release Candidate, I can&#039;t remember which for certain), I ran an upgrade on 9.04, which allowed me to move to the software just prior to release, then after release, I ran another upgrade to get to the final.

Observations: NTP (time server) support works now; I had reported a defect in the 9.04 time frame that did not get adequately fixed; they fixed it now.  Upgrades from 9.04 seem to work well.  This is not the first time that I have upgraded from one release to another.  Canonical and the various Ubuntu family of products generally do upgrades well.  Mandriva is one of the other distributions that also does upgrades well, and they also have a release coming out (Jim, that would be a good one to review too, 2010.0).

You need not suffer with the &quot;sliding menus&quot; if you do not like the Kicker menu style.  With KDE 4.3 you can revert to the classic KDE menus.  In addition, tens of thousands of defects have been fixed, and KDE 4 can once again be considered stable.

I had no issues with this release.  I&#039;d put it up against Mandriva 2010.0.  My inclination would be to give preference to Mandriva; I think it makes a better development platform, but they are similar in ease of use.  For more software available right at installation time, get Mandriva.  For those who upgrade and add software using package updates, it makes little difference; both have HUGE repositories of applications available.  Mandriva, to me, has much nicer art work; Jim usually prefers good art, so I&#039;d give the edge to Mandriva there.

Ubuntu sometimes has quality control issues on their rapid release versions with a lot of new features and better stability in their long term support releases (LTS).  Mandriva suffers from quality control reputation issues.  If cutting edge matters more than the possibility of finding defects, then both Kubuntu and Mandriva are worth a look.  IF you want something more stable, wait for the next Mint or MEPIS release instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><a href="#comment" onclick="CF_Reply('922','Brian Masinick'); return false;">Reply</a>  |  <a href="#comment" onclick="CF_Quote('922','Brian Masinick'); return false;">Quote</a></div><span id="co_922"><p>Kubuntu 9.10 went through a pretty good testing cycle, based on tests of a couple of Alpha releases (I think I started this release with Alpha 3 in a Virtualbox).  I also had an installed version of Kubuntu 9.04, so when this reached Beta (or Release Candidate, I can&#8217;t remember which for certain), I ran an upgrade on 9.04, which allowed me to move to the software just prior to release, then after release, I ran another upgrade to get to the final.</p>
<p>Observations: NTP (time server) support works now; I had reported a defect in the 9.04 time frame that did not get adequately fixed; they fixed it now.  Upgrades from 9.04 seem to work well.  This is not the first time that I have upgraded from one release to another.  Canonical and the various Ubuntu family of products generally do upgrades well.  Mandriva is one of the other distributions that also does upgrades well, and they also have a release coming out (Jim, that would be a good one to review too, 2010.0).</p>
<p>You need not suffer with the &#8220;sliding menus&#8221; if you do not like the Kicker menu style.  With KDE 4.3 you can revert to the classic KDE menus.  In addition, tens of thousands of defects have been fixed, and KDE 4 can once again be considered stable.</p>
<p>I had no issues with this release.  I&#8217;d put it up against Mandriva 2010.0.  My inclination would be to give preference to Mandriva; I think it makes a better development platform, but they are similar in ease of use.  For more software available right at installation time, get Mandriva.  For those who upgrade and add software using package updates, it makes little difference; both have HUGE repositories of applications available.  Mandriva, to me, has much nicer art work; Jim usually prefers good art, so I&#8217;d give the edge to Mandriva there.</p>
<p>Ubuntu sometimes has quality control issues on their rapid release versions with a lot of new features and better stability in their long term support releases (LTS).  Mandriva suffers from quality control reputation issues.  If cutting edge matters more than the possibility of finding defects, then both Kubuntu and Mandriva are worth a look.  IF you want something more stable, wait for the next Mint or MEPIS release instead.</p>
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		<title>By: dragonmouth</title>
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		<dc:creator>dragonmouth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I&#039;m not into social networks, inability to play YouTube is a positive.  So is AdBlock being on by default.  

Lest you think I&#039;m all gaga over Kubumtu, read on.
1) What is the purpose of the default microblog display? 
2) While trying to switch from default Kickoff Launcher to Classic Launcher a message pops up &quot;Do you really want to remove this Application Launcher?&quot; indicating that if one chooses &quot;Remove&quot; the Launcher will be deleted from the panel.  In fact &quot;Remove&quot; IS the correct response.  this is very confusing.  If the &quot;Cancel&quot; response is chosen, another instance of the Kickoff Lancher is placed on the panel.
3) When attempting to change the default USA keyboard layout, one has to hold down the left mouse button for the drop down menu to appear.  Drop down menus work as they should when changing the keyboard layout from something other than USA to USA.

As far as I am concerned Kubuntu 9.10 is not ready for prime time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><a href="#comment" onclick="CF_Reply('921','dragonmouth'); return false;">Reply</a>  |  <a href="#comment" onclick="CF_Quote('921','dragonmouth'); return false;">Quote</a></div><span id="co_921"><p>Since I&#8217;m not into social networks, inability to play YouTube is a positive.  So is AdBlock being on by default.  </p>
<p>Lest you think I&#8217;m all gaga over Kubumtu, read on.<br />
1) What is the purpose of the default microblog display?<br />
2) While trying to switch from default Kickoff Launcher to Classic Launcher a message pops up &#8220;Do you really want to remove this Application Launcher?&#8221; indicating that if one chooses &#8220;Remove&#8221; the Launcher will be deleted from the panel.  In fact &#8220;Remove&#8221; IS the correct response.  this is very confusing.  If the &#8220;Cancel&#8221; response is chosen, another instance of the Kickoff Lancher is placed on the panel.<br />
3) When attempting to change the default USA keyboard layout, one has to hold down the left mouse button for the drop down menu to appear.  Drop down menus work as they should when changing the keyboard layout from something other than USA to USA.</p>
<p>As far as I am concerned Kubuntu 9.10 is not ready for prime time.</p>
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		<title>By: MacLone</title>
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		<dc:creator>MacLone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could not even reload the resoulces list and package kit was empty all the time because a cache bug. If this is not a show-stopper i don&#039;t know what it is.</description>
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		<title>By: Bill Julian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on what you say here, Jim, if I were going to the KDE 4.3 series as my preferred desktop, (I continue to prefer Gnome or Xfce) the distro would not be Kubuntu.  sidux 2009-2 will not give you your desktop social widgets, but it will give you an otherwise quite nice and responsive rendition of KDE.  And if I were going to bet, I would put my money on the next Mepis, which will run 4.3.3 according to Mepis fans.  Mepis has a good reputation for being well crafted, so the annoyances that show in Kubuntu very possibly will not appear there.

For non-Debian folks the next Suse (11.2 as I recall) is barely a week or so away.  KDE people might want to see how it works.

Ubuntu is Gnome-centric and in my opinion best used that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><a href="#comment" onclick="CF_Reply('918','Bill Julian'); return false;">Reply</a>  |  <a href="#comment" onclick="CF_Quote('918','Bill Julian'); return false;">Quote</a></div><span id="co_918"><p>Based on what you say here, Jim, if I were going to the KDE 4.3 series as my preferred desktop, (I continue to prefer Gnome or Xfce) the distro would not be Kubuntu.  sidux 2009-2 will not give you your desktop social widgets, but it will give you an otherwise quite nice and responsive rendition of KDE.  And if I were going to bet, I would put my money on the next Mepis, which will run 4.3.3 according to Mepis fans.  Mepis has a good reputation for being well crafted, so the annoyances that show in Kubuntu very possibly will not appear there.</p>
<p>For non-Debian folks the next Suse (11.2 as I recall) is barely a week or so away.  KDE people might want to see how it works.</p>
<p>Ubuntu is Gnome-centric and in my opinion best used that way.</p>
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