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  1. says

    Comparison OpenSUSE 12.1 vs Fedora 16

    Both offer similar download options. You can grab a DVD or try installable live CDs for your favorite graphical environment. Gnome or KDE. Both also have loads of theme-based spins or derivatives, with apps and tools for deployments in specialized fields.

    Behind the scenes, both are running on patched versions of Linux kernel 3.1. which boasts improved support for Wi-Fi drivers and lots more. SystemD, the replacement for the SysV init daemon, was already a part of Fedora 15. but it’s been further improved here. The Red Hat developers also collaborated with OpenSUSE to get SystemD onto 12.1.

    While OpenSUSE is still using Grub Legacy for booting duties. Fedora has finally switched to Grub 2. Conversely. OpenSUSE, like the latest Ubuntu 11.10. uses the lightweight and zippy LightDM display manager, while Fedora continues with Gdm.

    http://linuxconfig.net/media/featured/comparison-

  2. joeblog says

    Mint 12 ? Mais quelle déception! Un foutoir complet pour la gestion des paramètres. Ils manquent tellement de chose que j'ai réellement l'impression que Linux a reculer de 10 ans! Lourd, peu réactif, police mal ajusté, dimension des barres mal foutues et non paramétrable. Impossible de paramétrer quoi que ce soit de correct sans passer par le bidouillage de geek. On perd tellement de petite choses qui étaient si importante et si simple avant que c'est comme un suicide cette nouvelle version. J'espère qu'ils vont compléter rapidement l'amas d'erreurs car c'est extrêmement nuisible pour l'image du libre ce genre de distribution. Avant on pouvait ajuster pleins de trucs selon nos goût et notre convenance et là rien n'est plus statique en imbriqué dans le faux que Mint 12. je suis peut-être négatif mais je suis surtout réaliste et non menteur. J'ai pas de sucre à donner si c'est pas mérité.

  3. says

    @epidenimus – Gnome 3/shell and MGSE plus the MATE desktop are planned for LMDE. Thye should be included in Update Pack 4 when it's released. It will be awhile though as the Mint devs are currently working on the Linux Mint 12 KDE and LXDE editions. KDE will still have an Ubuntu base by the way, not LMDE as previously talked about.

    @Jim – There is a Linux Mint MATE (only) edition being planned for sometime in the future. When depends one how long it takes to completely flesh out and stabilize MATE.

  4. says

    While ArchLinux is awesome, I find that usnig Mint is nice for end user stuff. It just easier to get WiFi going out of the box. I still use Arch for all my server stuff though.

    Problem with Mint right now is touchpad issues and random mouse clicks where the cursor happens to be.

    Mint 12 is cool the for sure. Use it at work everyday.

  5. jim says

    I'll be sticking to Linux Mint 11(64bit) for now – it works great and is extremely stable so why should I want to change to a dog's breakfast like Gnome 3? These idiots need to get it thru their heads that our regular computers ARE NOT SMARTPHONES! Thank god the Linux Mint team seems to realize this and also for the developers of MATE forking from Gnome.

  6. rijnsma says

    It is fantastic what Lefebre and crew have done.

    I can really work now with Gnome 3 and MGSE this way.

    But indeed like the article says it is Gnome 3 and that one is not finished yet.

    The most annoying for me is the shift of windows in the workspaces when one deletes for instance all Windows in workspace 1 and all windows of workspace 2 shift to 1. And 3 to 2. And 4 to 3 etc. I don't want it and it should be configurable.

    If it is I have not written this. But I dont't know how yet.

    Further the long distances the mouse has to move to let things work. This not a very productive tool for me…

    Sound is not simple te get working with some applications.

    Recording sound can be configured, but not with all apps when one does not how via alsa.

    But then: not finished yet and heavy developed now, pieces of it don't work yet, but I prefer MATE, which is also in the package under the switch * of the password-window. It looks like Gnome 2.3 and it works great and I like it very much too. :smile:

  7. Stan says

    I'm taking the dive today, installing in about an hour as I'm downloading something. It is scary but I think it is worth it. I even have another HD just for Mint 12 so my current install will not even be touched so I can switch back if I want.

    I think the only OS that is integrating apps into a desktop environment is Apple right now, they are not switching everything but taking things from IOS and adding it to OSX but at the same time you can use OSX just like before and use the IOS like stuff if it is faster for you. I bet Gnome will emulate this with one of their Gnome 3 releases, or I hope they do.

    I have not read your Mate review yet but does Mint install both by default and you choose which to boot into? I guess I'll find out in a hour or so!

  8. K Scharf says

    I've installed mint 12 amd64 on a new computer (PhenomII X4 970, 12GB dram) and I find myself lost since I'm used to Gnome 2.x. There are NO applets: I have the Weather applet, clock, volume control, network indicator, cpu core speeds, power off, workspace switcher and update manager on gnome 2 in mint 9 that I'm currently running. Granted SOME of these functions have equivalents in Gnome 3, but other are missing. There is NO screensaver! I guess I can install xscreensaver, but that has no equivalent to the one I'm currently running that cycles through my 'pictures' directory.

    The 'desktop' directory seems to be missing, the app menu is organized into different categories, and I don't know if there is a way to configure my own application launchers either on the desktop or into the app menu as there is on Gnome 2.

    I may end up sticking with Mint 9 LTS until Mint 13 comes out. Hopefully by then both Gnome 3.x and Mints extensions to it will be a bit more fleshed out with options. Maybe Clem will add the latest KDE to the mix, I wish KDE didn't have to play third or fourth fiddle in the Mint world to Gnome, LXDE, and XFCE!

  9. liquidkermit says

    I have decided to stay with Mint 11. It looks like I need to wait for Mint 13 (codename Melissa, maybe?). I believe MATE would be much more stable in 6 months. I simply refuse to migrate to Shell. I'm sorry, it's a laptop not a tablet. So, see you later in May 2012. Linux Mint 13 LTS Melissa

  10. Bill Julian says

    Here I am on Linux 12 Mate and let me tell you, Jim, Mint-lovers had better hope that Clem & Co. can make this work. It is the ONLY way I would consider running Mint 12.

    Why? (1) Running from my external USB drive and comparing performance against Mint 12/G-3, Mate is more responsive. It is almost as good as Mepis 11 and Fedora 16 running from the same drive. (2) The Mint menu is much more manageable in Mat, especially with regard to favorites. (3) I can place icons on the bottom panel if I find that more convenient — which I do. In fact just why do we need all this dock/launcher/favorites business when we can just drop icons on the bottom panel?

    I simply would not consider running Mint 12 with its Gnome 3 underpinnings. The virtues of the Mint Menuing system have been lost in trying to make it work with G-3. Can the Mint team get this right? Talented as they are I have to think so. I also expect it may take until Mint 13-14 before that happens.

    For now I'd like Mint with a side-order of Mate and thank you. People looking for the traditional virtues of the Mint Menu might want to explore that possibility as well.

  11. TonyVanDam says

    Thanks for another review Jim!

    Just like I thought the first time, Mint 12 is THE Linux distro to watch. Although I'm a little disappointed that nothing was said about MATE (yet?), the review about LMSE in very interesting.

    As a happy Mint Debian-user, I will play it safe and hold out for the Mint 13 (LTS). By then, I will finally have my first ever laptop and I'll use it for Mint while maintaining my desktop with Mint Debian.

  12. Imhoteps says

    Jim Lynch wrote:

    ..I do not want one application taking over the screen and I want to be able to easily switch between applications, minimize windows, etc.

    Golden words!

  13. says

    Hi Hawkeye,

    Thanks for the feedback. :smile:

    Good question on the touchscreen. I suppose it depends on how it is implemented. Would they do it like Apple with the Magic Trackpad thing? So you use the trackpad rather than touching the screen itself?

    I think leaning forward to touch a large screen would be awkward and rather uncomfortable after a while. But if you were working off a trackpad or some other device that was near your keyboard then perhaps it might work.

    But I think the larger question for interface design on the desktop is whether or not you are application-centric or task-centric. Unity & GNOME 3 are geared toward being application-centric while MATE, Xfce and KDE are task-oriented.

    I very much prefer the task-oriented approach. I do not want one application taking over the screen and I want to be able to easily switch between applications, minimize windows, etc.

  14. Hawkeye52 says

    Jim,

    As always, a great, balanced review. It does, however, bring up this whole 'dumbing down' of the desktop thing. Nothing has polarized the Linux community like this since I have been involved — early 2004.

    Not wanting to throw any more gas on the fire, I am still curious about your opinion on one aspect. At what monitor size does touchscreen become a practical, usable element for the desktop? I know there hasn't been any real research on this (or we wouldn't be headed down this perplexing development path), but my gut level says:

    Touchscreen becomes usable for the average user at 42 inches or larger.

    Do you want to hazard a guess?

    Hawkeye52

  15. Imhoteps says

    Interesting review (as usual). Thanks alot! And yes – MATEd Mint review would be super. As by me – merging Mint with Gnome 3 Shell was mistaken. Xfce/KDE would be much much smarter move. In the worst case even Unity would be more reasonable change than Gnome Shell. As I can see, people spit less after using Unity compared with Shell. But well, what`s done is done.

  16. mandog says

    I have not tried Mint 12 but it offers nothing you can't already do with gnome shell in Arch Linux or any other distro the extensions are all there. The negativity of reviewers is unbelievable not only with Gnome shell but with Linux in general. thank goodness you do try to give a quality review even if i don't always agree i always read yours.

  17. epidenimus says

    Thanks for the overview. I am a long time LinuxMint fan and am very much interested in how it approaches what I see as the Vista of Linux desktop environments. Even though I am on to the XFCE LMDE variant at this point, I wonder if they have provided the shell extensions to GNOME LMDE. I might be tempted to switch my work box over if rolling release is added to the feature list.

    Also, I remember reading several pieces where Carly Simon cited David Geffen as the source of inspiration for "You're So Vain." ;) I understand why it wasn't just put out there years ago; the song incites the listener to introspection without this detail.

  18. says

    Thanks, Brian. Glad you enjoyed it.

    Hmm. Liquidkermit, thanks for the feedback. Perhaps I'll do a quick look for Eye On Linux of it. That could be interesting.

  19. liquidkermit says

    Everyone is focusing on MGSE on their reviews. Too bad because I want to read a MATE review. I content to stay with GNOME 2.x and if MATE in Mint 12 is not good enough, I might not upgrade my Mint 11 boxes.

    Still waiting for MATE review

  20. Brian Masinick says

    Well Jim, I knew that you would get off your duff and review Linux Mint within a week or so of its release, so congratulations on doing so.

    For GNOME lovers, Mint really is saving the day, and if GNOME developers and distro builders are smart, they will at least provide something like what Mint has done to provide users with alternatives. Try as they may, not everyone will – today – or any time in the near future, sucumb to the urge to run touch devices. I have stuff from the Droid family. Yes, it's good for quick access to stuff, but I wouldn't use it in a million years when I have to be greatly productive, fast, and efficient. The only thing it's fast at is clearing out SPAM Email, and a REGULAR Email client does a better job any day; it's just good to have a mobile device when you are away. As far as I am concerned, mobile stuff won't replace traditional devices in my lifetime, unless revolutionary improvements are still in the works. The "inventions" we have recently seen are disasters when they come to replacing traditional desktops, which, at least to me, were the optimal in speed and efficiency.

    As far as the rest of Mint goes, I think it's good for the novice and casual user. It can be used by veterans as well, but hobbyists who want access to everything may not be quite as thrilled with it. I can do without it myself, but I wouldn't want to see it go anywhere; it's great for bringing usable technology to thousands of new potential Linux converts! :-)

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